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Old 11/10/2007, 04:20
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Ganthet vs Mighty Thor
OK, U Ganthet vs LE The Mighty Thor. They're exactly the same points and both are rockin' their respective Cosmic TA's. Who works better on a team, solo, or just plan better?! I haven't seen this particular match-up debated, so I thought I'd bring it up because I was wondering who I should use in a tourney coming up. I'm not going to specify how many points the team build is, as to keep this debate as unbiased as possible. Here's the dials:
gl006 U Ganthet
Team: Quintessence
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sv224 LE The Mighty Thor
Team: Power Cosmic
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Keywords: Deity, Warrior
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Old 11/10/2007, 05:05
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Well, 'ignoring' Impervious Rolls, Thor is practically guaranteed first-strike. Running Shot vs Phasing makes this something of a no-contest. Also, if Gathnet gets onto his Barrier clicks...he's GOING to take the hit. So the opening game looks to be advantage: Thor. However, once Gathnet gets his Invulnerability back, he's Psy Blasting...HARD. Also, at that point, he can remain at Thor's range and stay there...no Flurry/SuperStrength for Thor. Here's the catch: if he gets hit for 6 [4], he's on his last barrier click...and WILL take 5-6 more from there, which puts him one hit from being KOed. So really, all die rolls being equal, they both probably hit their end dials in a pure 1v1. But it really comes down to: does Gathnet regen? Probably. He can fly, Thor can't. So Gathnet will probably reach a safe, elevated spot, and be back to blasting. If he gets high enough to get Psy Blast back, he can keep Thor at range and with little enough damage he shouldn't have trouble regenning back up again. This means that assuming Gathnet hasn't been uber-punked [or done the reverse to Thor...with those Imperv rolls, both are possible], they're both on their last 4 or 5 clicks and shooting it out. If Gathnet hits with PW...game over. If Thor hits Gathnet for 5 on his first PW click or later...game over. That's just 1v1, however.

Building from that, Gathnet has the advantage because of higher-defense and flying in a team battle. Gathnet can do something as simple as carry a Morlock around, base Thor with it, and FORCE Thor to handle the little one while he gets an attack in. For Thor to do the same to Gathnet, he needs an efficient, mobile L/Cer or flyer, preferably one that can Taxi his godly bum. This gives Gathnet an advantage in building a team around the 400-600 level, although Thor still has the advantage of straight reducers and Gathnet still has his gap unless you put Force Field on him.

Once you start getting past 600, where you can field two figures of their point totals and fill in support, things even out again...you can build a dream support squad and pack another heavy hitter. So then it comes down more to team-building around the figure and less of the figure itself. Although, personally, I'd build around Gathnet.

That's just my take on the mighty fight.
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Old 11/10/2007, 06:58
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nah thor rs hits ganthet for 4 lands on 10 attack incap perplex. incaps thor. thor clears, ganther willpowers perplex damage thor take three. hits ganthet for 4, lands on 3 damage rs and psycic blast deals 3 to thor and outwits thor's flury. thors nails ganthet for 3, lands on last click and single target pulsewaves thor for 5 and wins.
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Old 11/10/2007, 07:48
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if ganthet can pulse wave thor in the late game it will be easy ganthet will easly hit thor every time as well
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I've actually gone up against Mighty Thor before using ganthet. Ganthet can take him. It works even without feats. What ganthet has going for him is his high defense value and mid dial psyblast and end dial pulsewave. As long as Ganthet doesn't stay too long on his barrier clicks, Thor goes down. ( but those RCE clicks are a pain to deal with )
As a personal choice though, i go for ganthet. The blue smurf fits more teams for me, being a GL fan and all. Still in the end your dice rolls guide your destiny in this game.
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Yeah, I'd give it to Ganthet. Thor's damage is too low and once Ganthet grabs the psychic blast Thor is hurting.
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Quote : Originally Posted by Arokosaki
Well, 'ignoring' Impervious Rolls, Thor is practically guaranteed first-strike....Here's the catch: if he gets hit for 6 [4], ... Gathnet ... He can fly, Thor can't. So Gathnet will probably reach a safe, elevated spot, and be back to blasting. ...That's just 1v1, however.
Although, personally, I'd build around Gathnet.

That's just my take on the mighty fight.

Nice little break-down, so there's not too much to add to this. Except the one major factor, map choice.

Any map that has decent elevated terrain will almost guarantee a harder time for Thor. Take the Starro map for instance. Ganthet will more easily control Thor's movement by keep the water terrain between them.

Though any map can have this done to it. Even indoor maps can work well as it effectively cuts Thor's RS to 3 instead of 5. It also means that if Thor attempts to play it safe and stay 10 away, then gets to his Chagre clicks he won't even be able to move next Ganthet, as he can only move a total of 5 max.

This could very easily work for Legacy's Ares to pull a win more times than not against Thor.

But back to Ganthet. I'll side with him over Thor every time. At least until I get my Spider-Girl.
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Old 11/10/2007, 22:34
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Barring any misses/crithits I'm for Ganthet. Thor definitely gets first strike but Ganthet has regen to bring him back from the brink. This would definitely be a close fight though since Ganthet relies so heavily on Outwit to be effective and Thor is immune.
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Quote : Originally Posted by dariusq
Barring any misses/crithits I'm for Ganthet. Thor definitely gets first strike but Ganthet has regen to bring him back from the brink. This would definitely be a close fight though since Ganthet relies so heavily on Outwit to be effective and Thor is immune.
he doesnt really need Outwit with Physcic Blast.
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I like them both, but I feel Ganthet has more going for him (Flight and consistency).

Ganthet has been used by me with success. I've yet to fieldtest Thor, though.
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v katana could beat galactus...it's all about how you roll.
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A neat thing about Ganthet is his damage reducers are spread out.

He could end up getting blasted onto Invulnerability, which has saved his butt several times under my command.

His last click and second to last click can dish out severe damage too.
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Quote : Originally Posted by lngcntry
he doesnt really need Outwit with Physcic Blast.
True, but the Outwit is still built into his cost. Outwit is supposed to be part of Ganthet's power set but Thor is unaffected. Thor has similar lost advantages but Outwit happens to be a particularly expensive one to lose. I still vote Ganthet though.
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