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Old 02/28/2010, 20:07
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Not sure where the "out of hand" line is, but that's awfully Big Brother-ish.

I think that while it may be a bit rough on the delivery, the OP brings up a good point and it's not the first time I've seen it here.

Anyone who believes that every judge and every venue owner who stands to gain something is being honest is fooling only themselves. In fact, in all the gaming I've done this game seems to be specifically bad for it.

The real fix is in NECA setting up a network for judges and venues - other "big player" companies do this - so that you have to register events and qualify for prize packs, etc. There is also accountability in that you can have your privileges revoked should you be found to not conduct yourself according to the rules. In these situations, there is a far greater difference between those who are honest and those who are not because if you're going to break the rules, you are most often going to get caught.

Now that being said, the competitive Clix scene has never caught on where in my city because of the cost combined with less-than-great rules systems and costing problems that Clix have had in the past. HoT has made some strides towards fixing that and hopefully things will continue to get better.

Now as for Judges playing... I'd rather see the judge filling spots to help move things along, keep players from sitting bored during a bye, and help them to earn their LE. As stated above, with a rules system like Clix has judges will most likely have to do a lot of rules clarifications, but that can be done in-and-around playing a game or two.

But just because a judge isn't playing a game, that doesn't necessarily make him do a better job at judging. He could quite easily sit and read a book or surf the 'net, or just stare lovingly at his free LE.

Heck, he could even sell his LE on a popular auction site afterword and - in effect - get paid real money to judge! He'd have to be dishonest to do that though... Let's hope nobody who is judge - or purchasing prize kits - is doing so dishonestly...
I know a ###### bag who did/does that... He used to judge a venue that is now closed down here in South Florida. Then my husband took over and while Clix was on hiatus... used his own pieces as prize support. We spent so much money on such said auction site buying Galactus, Spectre, Fing Fang Foom, Starro and other LE prizes. We had some buy-ins for these events since we USED OUR OWN MONEY to get them, and never really recouped all that we spent, but we did it because my husband LOVES this game and didn't want it to die.

Now that Clix is back, the ###### bag goes to venues around here, (there are several) and uses his cheesy pieces and tries to screw everyone over so he can sell the stuff online.

He even threatened me while I was pregnant because I called him a jerk and when he called me a "fat #####" behind my back I confronted him and he threatened to stab me. (That's another story in itself.)

Anyway, my point being, my husband is a great judge... I miss him because he judges 2 different venues 3 nights a week. But everyone loves him... he plays whenever he can (if there is a by) but is always available for questions. He also uses the LE's he doesn't want as extra prizes.

That's dedication.
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I know a ###### bag who did/does that... He used to judge a venue that is now closed down here in South Florida. Then my husband took over and while Clix was on hiatus... used his own pieces as prize support. We spent so much money on such said auction site buying Galactus, Spectre, Fing Fang Foom, Starro and other LE prizes. We had some buy-ins for these events since we USED OUR OWN MONEY to get them, and never really recouped all that we spent, but we did it because my husband LOVES this game and didn't want it to die.

Now that Clix is back, the ###### bag goes to venues around here, (there are several) and uses his cheesy pieces and tries to screw everyone over so he can sell the stuff online.

He even threatened me while I was pregnant because I called him a jerk and when he called me a "fat #####" behind my back I confronted him and he threatened to stab me. (That's another story in itself.)

Anyway, my point being, my husband is a great judge... I miss him because he judges 2 different venues 3 nights a week. But everyone loves him... he plays whenever he can (if there is a by) but is always available for questions. He also uses the LE's he doesn't want as extra prizes.

That's dedication.
Wow! You are amazing, your husband is great, and that guy who threatened you while you were pregnant needs to have some work done! Preferably by some large men with pinky rings! That's totally outrageous and I hope you filed charges - what a creep!
I really feel blessed in a lot of ways, but one of them is definitely the Heroclix community in Maryland. The jerk ratio is extremely low, and the players that will "help a brother out" are plentiful. I hope this idiot who treated you that way is the only one you've ever had to deal with, and that this is long since settled!
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The Judge is entitled to one as "Judge", but the other two should have been used at some point as Prize Support.
That's not exactly correct. There were 3 copies of each LE sent out, but none were marked for anything specific so there was no "entitled" prize of any type.

A venue could choose to give one for 1st place, one for Fellowship, and one for the "Judge" if they wanted - but it didn't have to.

At my venue I didn't feel comfortable taking an LE that wasn't "given" to me by someone else (venue or WK) so for HoT (and we got the replacement prizes - the cardless stuff) I gave out one prize for First Place, one for Fellowship, and the 3rd prize depended on number of players. If we had 7 or less the prize went to second place. 8 or more and it was a second fellowship.

As the "Judge" I only played when it was an odd number, unless it was just my 4-5 regulars, in which case I played regardless since I wanted those pieces, too AND my regulars are competitive friends. Sadly (for me) we had a lot of even numbers with newer players so I opted to sit out so they could have plenty of game time and help.

It sounds like for the next set there is going to be LE's set aside for the Event Coordinators / Judges so I won't have missing holes in my collection.

Now if I could just find an LE Samantha Parrington & Skull-Brother to trade for (or buy)...

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Old 02/28/2010, 21:20
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I have one for you.

I was a judge that was too busy judging to play bye rounds.

If you think that makes me a prize hog then it just shows how much you don't know, and I don't care what else you may think.
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Nah, we still see the d0uche bag... He shows up to my husband's 2 venues to try and cheat his way through the tournaments. Every time I see him, I give him the evil eye. (Its a woman thing.) He's so stupid.. he used to be a judge and still asks the simplest questions to my husband just to stall in his games. I say to my husband, didn't that jerk-off used to be a judge? Shouldn't he know the answer to the question? My husband has more patience than I, and answers his ridiculous questions without a problem. If it were up to me, I'd ban the jerk like he was banned at other venues around South Florida.

But we have plenty of idiots in our "Heroclix Community". I'm so sick of some of them that I stopped playing and going to games.

But one good thing did come out of Heroclix... our children's Godfather we met at Heroclix in November 2006. He's such a great person and we admire him and look to him for advice and just a really great person! Thanks Heroclix! LOL
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When My Players come to play and there is an odd number I will play the Bye round with the odd player, but I would still answer questions and see how they are doing. As for prizes they always get them I only get the one that is awarded to me for running the event. Other than that I go all Out for My Players. So yes I do Play for fun in the Bye round with my players. All should be treated equally.
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Wow! You are amazing, your husband is great, and that guy who threatened you while you were pregnant needs to have some work done! Preferably by some large men with pinky rings! That's totally outrageous and I hope you filed charges - what a creep!
I really feel blessed in a lot of ways, but one of them is definitely the Heroclix community in Maryland. The jerk ratio is extremely low, and the players that will "help a brother out" are plentiful. I hope this idiot who treated you that way is the only one you've ever had to deal with, and that this is long since settled!
I got your pinky ring and family right here. You wants I should show up and shows this guy some manners for yous?
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Here is the thing about a "Judge Reward".

When WizKids went to the 3 pack of prizes it was the most brilliant move they could have made.

Judges used to be rewarded with LEs on a point system (and previous to that on a point system that rewarded them with product). This created a great deal of work on WizKids end. The system had to be maintained and had some extra overhead costs in doing so. The move to 3 LEs per prize kit made the Organized Play/Approved Play program easier to administer.

By offering the Judge an LE to run the tournament, WizKids admitted that the tournaments were important enough to give out a token of appreciation to the people that ran the tournaments. Most Judges are also some of the largest supporters of the game. So it only stands that they would want the LEs too. By giving them to the Judges, WizKids was able to help the Judges concentrate on running games and fostering a community of Players at their local Venues instead of chasing down the LEs. Win-win.

Judges being able to play in tournaments has gone through several changes. From Judges not being able to play at all to letting Judges play but not reward themselves a prize (as they were being rewarded anyway). I am not sure where I stand on this. I know when I run games it is usually my only chance to also play...but sometimes I am just too busy to create a team for that week or I may need time to work on other projects while also running the tournament. Regardless, to call a Judge that doesn't play in an event a prize hog is just insulting and wrong.
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Here is the thing about a "Judge Reward".

When WizKids went to the 3 pack of prizes it was the most brilliant move they could have made.

Judges used to be rewarded with LEs on a point system (and previous to that on a point system that rewarded them with product). This created a great deal of work on WizKids end. The system had to be maintained and had some extra overhead costs in doing so. The move to 3 LEs per prize kit made the Organized Play/Approved Play program easier to administer.

By offering the Judge an LE to run the tournament, WizKids admitted that the tournaments were important enough to give out a token of appreciation to the people that ran the tournaments. Most Judges are also some of the largest supporters of the game. So it only stands that they would want the LEs too. By giving them to the Judges, WizKids was able to help the Judges concentrate on running games and fostering a community of Players at their local Venues instead of chasing down the LEs. Win-win.

Judges being able to play in tournaments has gone through several changes. From Judges not being able to play at all to letting Judges play but not reward themselves a prize (as they were being rewarded anyway). I am not sure where I stand on this. I know when I run games it is usually my only chance to also play...but sometimes I am just too busy to create a team for that week or I may need time to work on other projects while also running the tournament. Regardless, to call a Judge that doesn't play in an event a prize hog is just insulting and wrong.
There you go again, bring facts, actual history, and logic into a discussion on HCRealms! I would think you would know better by now!

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I found the OP to be incredibly insulting to judges.
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What's with all the hating on judges lately?
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People like the OP should adjust their piss poor attitude, appreciate they ahabe 2 venue to play at and suck it up!
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I'm the judge at my local venue and I think the OP needs to get a clue. I'm damn certain there are many more judges out there who try to run things like me than those who are just there as "prize hogs" or to be "part of the crowd."
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The problem with threads like this are that they imply a false dichotomy: either "A" or "B".

The narrowness of the viewpoint is inaccurate at best, and more frequently insulting.
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Your judge isn't up to snuff? Well, then you could have found a much better way to communicate that than to make a blanket statement that says "Judges who do not conform to my narrow definition are little more than thieves." Because, yeah. We're going to take some offense to that.
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False comparisons will do that (thanks ZZZ!). According to your original post:

A. Judges play during bye rounds.

Or

B. Judges are prize hogs who only want LEs.

Can't imagine why this would be offensive to judges who worked really hard to keep the game alive while WizKids was six feet under.

So you might not owe an apology to your specific judge, but I think you owe one to a majority of judges here.

I agree 100% with the above statements.

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Maybe I'm "old skool" but I disagree with this approach. But, then again, there is nothing in the "rules" saying you can't do this. The Judge should have zero impact on the outcome of the tournament. In other words, you can't win, as the Judge.

And awarding prizes to 2nd place isn't good enough. Beating someone, counting points and all, can have a severe outcome to the event.

So...no offense, I just disagree.
I agree with your disagreement; I've always disliked the concept that a Judge could play, skew the results fo their event, and offer a "Second Place Prize" by way of consolation. It just rubs me the wrong way.

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I'm a little offended by this because I used to be a judge, and I always considered it rude when the judge plays the player during the bye round because he is not readily available to make rulings and monitor. According the the old Wizkids rules, the judge CAN offer to play the player with the bye, but he doesn't have to...ever played at a Convention's tournament? Those judges don't play.
You are comparing apples and oranges here.

The Judges at the conventions don't play because the events are generally larger (i.e. Worlds or qualifying events) than your average event at a Venue, or they are judging more than one event at a time (in the case of Battle Royales).

Even then, when the turnout is low (more often in the case of Battle Royales) or its the end of the day and fewer players are around, I've seen Judges allowed to play in Battle Royales while working. This is the exception of course, because the Judges working at the Cons are there to, well, work. The standards (and direct oversight) are generally a little higher than what is expected of us at our local Venues

Regardless of your personal misgivings, the Rules allowed Judges to play, during tournaments, in certain situatuions (other Judges present, playing the BYE, etc...). I do not see how doing so is automatically mutually exclusive to being on-hand to perform their role as Judge for the non-BYE games.
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I got your pinky ring and family right here. You wants I should show up and shows this guy some manners for yous?
I actually took care of it myself. Ex-lax cupcakes really suck. The hubs wouldn't let me slash his tires. (I'm just happy the hubs likes the "fire" in me.) I can be really kind & sweet... But you threaten me, my family, or my friends, and you'll get what you desearve.

Anyway, I don't go to many clix tournaments anymore... I have a 17 soon to be 18 week old daughter and a 7 year old son, they're plenty for me to handle right now.
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I actually took care of it myself. Ex-lax cupcakes really suck. The hubs wouldn't let me slash his tires. (I'm just happy the hubs likes the "fire" in me.) I can be really kind & sweet... But you threaten me, my family, or my friends, and you'll get what you desearve.
I am very surprised that after threatening you, your husband allows this guy to play at his venues. At the very least, this guy would have been banned and probably missing a few teeth.
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I know a ###### bag who did/does that... He used to judge a venue that is now closed down here in South Florida. Then my husband took over and while Clix was on hiatus... used his own pieces as prize support. We spent so much money on such said auction site buying Galactus, Spectre, Fing Fang Foom, Starro and other LE prizes. We had some buy-ins for these events since we USED OUR OWN MONEY to get them, and never really recouped all that we spent, but we did it because my husband LOVES this game and didn't want it to die.

Now that Clix is back, the ###### bag goes to venues around here, (there are several) and uses his cheesy pieces and tries to screw everyone over so he can sell the stuff online.

He even threatened me while I was pregnant because I called him a jerk and when he called me a "fat #####" behind my back I confronted him and he threatened to stab me. (That's another story in itself.)

Anyway, my point being, my husband is a great judge... I miss him because he judges 2 different venues 3 nights a week. But everyone loves him... he plays whenever he can (if there is a by) but is always available for questions. He also uses the LE's he doesn't want as extra prizes.

That's dedication.
I would love to meat this guy. No really...I wouldn't hurt him...much.
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I am very surprised that after threatening you, your husband allows this guy to play at his venues. At the very least, this guy would have been banned and probably missing a few teeth.
The store has to ban him... he cannot. Trust me... I've asked.
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