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Old 03/10/2010, 22:01
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And... I usually don't lose my temper..., I'm a very laid back, helpful, and friendly player,
But then on the other hand there was that game against Alexander Hamilton...
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Old 03/10/2010, 22:39
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I was dq from the supernova marquee after winning it,I pulled a Superskrull out of a sealed box the points said 105 on the dial but was actually 150 nobody caught it until after I won the tourney.Then the judge at the time after awarding me the prize took it back from me and gave it to someone else.How was I supposed to know there was a misprint on the figure base?
In all fairness, you're supposed to match the number on the dial with the number on the base when pulling figs for a sealed. It was always a standard announcement in my neck of the woods.
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Old 03/10/2010, 23:41
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this is one aspect of the game that truly perplexes me....do most judges award prize support based on good sportsmanship? i ask because the venue i play at seems to choose mystical, dark magikal reasons. like if someone is losing horribly or they are a close friend or random dice rolls etc. havent seen a judge in my neighborhood award fellowship based on sportsmanship in a looooong time. and to be honest ive seen more corrupt judges than i have players unfortunately.

I have a lot of close friends that play at the venue I judge at, so to be as unbiased and fair as possible, so that I can never be accused of favoritism, the players do a ballot vote for the Fellowship prize.

I know the voting system has flaws, but it's the fairest way I can do it, by being an unbiased judge.

Because if I don't do it this way:

A) If I give it to one of my friends, I'll be accused of favoritism.

B) If I never give it my friends, they'll think that I won't give it them because they are my friends.

To avoid the drama, a vote it is.
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Old 03/10/2010, 23:43
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But then on the other hand there was that game against Alexander Hamilton...
Yeah, he had it coming.
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I have a lot of close friends that play at the venue I judge at, so to be as unbiased and fair as possible, so that I can never be accused of favoritism, the players do a ballot vote for the Fellowship prize.

I know the voting system has flaws, but it's the fairest way I can do it, by being an unbiased judge.

Because if I don't do it this way:

A) If I give it to one of my friends, I'll be accused of favoritism.

B) If I never give it my friends, they'll think that I won't give it them because they are my friends.

To avoid the drama, a vote it is.
Every venue I've ever played at has done a vote. It usually works well, although I would prefer they started disqualifying people who vote for themselves. One guy often wins because he votes for himself, which is pretty pathetic.

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When you're right, you're right. But did you have to kill him? I wanted to use my brain drain device to harvest his mental processes to power my weather machine, but now I've got to use juiced up lab rats, which don't give nearly the same bang for my buck.
Actually, I'm glad he's dead. Since everyone now has to use juiced-up lab rats for all their weather machines, business has never been better.

Wait, that is off-topic. I should be disqualified (ha ha, back on track)
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Every venue I've ever played at has done a vote. It usually works well, although I would prefer they started disqualifying people who vote for themselves. One guy often wins because he votes for himself, which is pretty pathetic.

When you're right, you're right. But did you have to kill him? I wanted to use my brain drain device to harvest his mental processes to power my weather machine, but now I've got to use juiced up lab rats, which don't give nearly the same bang for my buck.
@ the first paragraph: We had a guy who voted for himself at my venue, so I changed my house rules stating that a vote for oneself is the equivalent of cheating, and is a ban offense. Voting for oneself defeats the whole purpose. But some people are so narcissistic that they do just that.

The venue that I go to play at, the judge hands them out, and we don't do a vote. It works out pretty well, and he's a great judge.

@ the second part: LOL! You could always use modern-day politicians. But they are of lower intelligence of even lab rats.
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@ the first paragraph: We had a guy who voted for himself at my venue, so I changed my house rules stating that a vote for oneself is the equivalent of cheating, and is a ban offense. Voting for oneself defeats the whole purpose. But some people are so narcissistic that they do just that.
For once I am in total agreement with you.

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@ the second part: LOL! You could always use modern-day politicians. But they are of lower intelligence of even lab rats.
You can see how that doesn't really suit my needs...
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When you're right, you're right. But did you have to kill him? I wanted to use my brain drain device to harvest his mental processes to power my weather machine, but now I've got to use juiced up lab rats, which don't give nearly the same bang for my buck.
But Hamilton's idea of nationalized currency might differ from yours, so you might not get as much bang for your buck anyway.
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Every venue I've ever played at has done a vote. It usually works well, although I would prefer they started disqualifying people who vote for themselves. One guy often wins because he votes for himself, which is pretty pathetic.
Wait....you like the idea of a vote (no, not you but you, as in all you agreeing with this) but if someone votes for themselves some of you consider this "cheating" or at least bad?

*scratches head*

Is it same to presume that the Presidency of the United States is a little....just a smidgen mind you...more prestiges than HeroClix Fellowship, correct?

Yet a presidential candidate will almost always vote for themselves.

So..if you encourage a vote isn't it quite possible that the guy/girl that voted for themselves is the most qualified candidate? Possibly? Hmmm???
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Every venue I've ever played at has done a vote. It usually works well, although I would prefer they started disqualifying people who vote for themselves. One guy often wins because he votes for himself, which is pretty pathetic.
I have a house rule that you can only vote for someone that you actually played against. As a result, I often have 2 guys tied for Fellowship and I make the decision, based on play (did they get their clock cleaned) and their general attitude, which one wins. We are a friendly bunch and I've never had anyone complain about who wins or how they win Fellowship, ever.
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Every venue I've ever played at has done a vote. It usually works well, although I would prefer they started disqualifying people who vote for themselves. One guy often wins because he votes for himself, which is pretty pathetic.
easiest wayto circumvent that is to say "You MUST vote for someone you played AGAINST" or some line like that.
NO ONE should be allowed to vote for themselves in this kind of situation.
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Wait....you like the idea of a vote (no, not you but you, as in all you agreeing with this) but if someone votes for themselves some of you consider this "cheating" or at least bad?

*scratches head*

Is it same to presume that the Presidency of the United States is a little....just a smidgen mind you...more prestiges than HeroClix Fellowship, correct?

Yet a presidential candidate will almost always vote for themselves.

So..if you encourage a vote isn't it quite possible that the guy/girl that voted for themselves is the most qualified candidate? Possibly? Hmmm???
I think that voting for fellowship in a game of heroclix is a little different than voting for a President. Fellowship is a sportsmanship award. A Presidential election is not. Voting for yourself for fellowship is not very sportsmanlike. I wouldn't consider it cheating, but I would count that person out of the fellowship process.
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Wait....you like the idea of a vote (no, not you but you, as in all you agreeing with this) but if someone votes for themselves some of you consider this "cheating" or at least bad?

*scratches head*

Is it same to presume that the Presidency of the United States is a little....just a smidgen mind you...more prestiges than HeroClix Fellowship, correct?

Yet a presidential candidate will almost always vote for themselves.

So..if you encourage a vote isn't it quite possible that the guy/girl that voted for themselves is the most qualified candidate? Possibly? Hmmm???
The difference of course is that a presidential election is a contest to determine, as you said, the most qualified candidate. A fellowship vote is a contest to determine the most sporting player. Self promotion is not typically a part of sportsmanship. Declaring yourself more sportsmanlike is a bit paradoxical. If it was a vote for just about anything else, a self-vote would be fine. Once you've declared that you are a better sportsman than everyone else, barring any really odd circumstances, you've pretty much proven that you aren't.

The player I'm talking about is a great example: he's not a bad guy, but he's not a terribly sporting player either. He does not deserve to win a fellowship vote nearly as high of a percentage of the time as he actually does. He invariably shows up on "bring a comics-accurate theme team day" with six OOTS Batmen.

When it comes to fellowship voting he's motivated out of greed, not out of any interest in actually seeing anyone rewarded for, you know, fellowship, so he throws off the whole thing. When the fellowship prize is supposed to go to the best theme team, determined by votes, he votes for his own "two rookie Shazams Warbounded to two Questions with two SR Scarlet Witches and an SIF" team. He consistently gets rewarded for not participating in a vote for the same thing as the rest of us.

So folks out there is forum land, please give us your input. If fellowship was determined by a vote at your venue, would you consider a self-vote to be sporting? Worthy of a DQ? Would you ever vote for yourself? Are there situations in which a self-vote is warranted?
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