I am not exactly a Veteran, but im definatly not a rookie player. I dont have very many good guys ( my best are (u) Spiderman (both of them), (v) Mr. fantastic, (r) kang, and (v) blastaar ), and my friend has tons of good guys, veteran- superman batman doc strange cap america juggernaut archilis(or something) (u) wolverine and a bunch of others, but those are his favorites to use. i can beat him every time (unless its a high point game and he uses juggernaut) but my victories seem to be very close victories, and not stomping annialations like i would love for them to be. I just got the 6 armed s.m. and blastaar, so i havent gotten a chance to use them yet. they look promising though. his stupid batman is a major pain, and juggernaut owns me in big games becuase i cant escape him, in smaller ones its alot easier. any suggestions?

Vactory:

Juggernaught is very expensive and depends on Invulnerability to much. The easiest way for you to defeat him is by outwit. You have outwit on V. Mr. Fantastic. Also, many of the Spidermen have outwit (although, I'm note sure about the uniques).

I don't normally recommend outwit because it's to easy. Personally, I want to learn to win without it. However, in the case of Juggernaught, Outwit is his biggest downfall. Without Invulnerability, he has nothing.

Most figures with Invulnerability only have a few clixs of it, so typically you just have to smack them past it (or cause them to push past it). I can often cause opponents to push by tie-ing them up with cheap figures while I smash the opponent's other good figures. Juggernaught has too many clixs of Invulnerability for this strategy to eliminate his Invulnerability. But, it can still win, if you are able to knock out Juggernaughts teammates.

Also, if you can do 3 damage then boost it to 4 with a shield agent. 3 clixs against invulnerability only moves you one clix. Which is more invulnerability for Juggernaught. But, 4 damage allows you to skip a clix of Invulnerability on Juggernaught. The concept is even better if you can boost it to 5 or more damage. Don't let him bennefit from every clix of Invulnerability if possible.

Summary:
Keep him tied-up with cheap figures or outwit him. Also, use shield agents for a cheap boost in damage.

P.S. why do you say that you cannot escape him? Do you mean movement? Or, just that he is to powerful.

by escape i mean that i cant get away (movement). in smaller games, i usually have less guys, there for its harder for him to catch me, in bigger ones, with more guys, i cant possibaly avoid him

why the hell must people use dc with marvel?

Actually you've already put 2 and 2 together, you just haven't written "4" yet. Juggernaut has a second major problem, and that is for all his Invulnerability he still needs a taxi or 2 actions to close and attack. He costs a lot, and isn't particularly fast. So it isn't necessary to Outwit his Invulnerability and pound his *long* dial, its just necessary to tie him down in a perpetual "chase his target" state. I.e., Incapacitate. Something Spiderman has in abundance.

Marshal Law:

Good point!

I forgot how devestating incapacitate can be to Invulnerability. When IC first came out, I played one game using Ultron. It was also my last with Ultron. My opponent chose Spiderman, Wasp, Capt. America, Black Panther and I don't remember our other figures.

I knew I had to kill B. Panther earily to eliminate Outwit, which I did. Then, I thought I had the game locked because none of his other figures could do more than 2 damage. Then, I got swarmed with all his many figures. I ended up pushing, or else getting pushed by Incap. I lost that game badly. From then on, I have always favored a swarm attack. But, Incap is what beat me (and my Invulnerability). P.S. I know a good Ultron team can win, I just became gun shy.

Vactory:

You stated that in large games, you have trouble keeping away from him (movement). It sounds like you mean keeping all of your figures away from him. I agree, this would be hard. Even if you nock out his taxi or TK, he is still bound to get next to someone. This is another reason to use several cheap figures on you team. advance them next to Juggernaught. He will have to waste time attacking them or take a 50/50 chance on breakaway. With 3 or so cheap figures you can keep him tied up for a long time. Meanwhile you blast him from a distance.

I would just like to say give Blastaar a try. He isn't very costly, and if you get him onto his sweet spot, he is extremely difficult to take down. Batman would have a heck of a time hitting that defense (I know, I've tried).

Ghost

Incapacitate is highly underrated as far as I'm concerned. Of course, don't take my word as gospel as I'm just a casual player.

I personally feel that choosing good support for your 'big hitters' is so important! Shield Medics are indispensible! I decimated my BF's Sentinel team (Sentinal with full clicks, and Doombots, with a Hydra Medic) in a 500pt game using these figures: Unique Vision, Veteran Invisible Woman, Rookie Black Panther, Veteran Logan, Experienced Cyclops, 2 Shield Medics, Experienced Scarlet Witch, Rookie Annihilus, Rookie Blizzard.

Outwit, and Probability Control Coupled with the Shield figures supporting Cyclops, and the fact that both Annihilus, and Vision kick ###, while Blizzard was just simply annoying the Doombots won me that game.

Rookie Black Panther has Stealth and Outwit on his first click, so if you can use him wisely, you have a nice opener to cause damage.

Probability Control was so special too! "Roll again please" was heard often!

Next Battle I'm breaking out Experienced Emma Frost (white queen) just to do...

he still needs a taxi or 2 actions to close and attack

Juggy cant be carried he has Battle fury

you guys are much too focused on juggernaut. He may be the big guy in the game, but he also uses many other people that are very very good too. he never plays a game without unique wolverine. i hate that guy. he is cheap, he can hide, blades and claws can jack the #### out of me, and he regenerates when i hurt him. the possibility of someone doing 6 clix with one attack with a cheap character just kills me. and back to the point, while im tieing him up and blasting him, what stopping his doc strange and annihlus from stomping me? not much. whenevr i focus on either his close or his ranged, by the time i finish them off, im too jacked up to stand up to the other group. i think im doing the best i can with what i have, but i feel like there is something better that can be done. on that note, doc strange is very diverse in abilities and i consider him to be pretty good( especially with a medic and annihlus right by his side.....)

Sorry,

I was focused on Juggernaught because it sounded like he was your biggest problem. Now I have bad news for you.

I am a cheapo.

My favorite tatic is a swarm attack with many inexpensive characters and extra actions on every turn. (Brotherhood, Avengers or leadership).

In fact, I have trouble in games (400pts or less) whenever I do try to use more expensive characters. So, I won't be much help to you, unless you want to try a swarm atttack. I can make great recommendations for Swarming. But, otherwise I'll just sit back and read everyone else's posts. Oh, by the way, Blastarr is a great figure and I do like him but I have also beaten him with my swarm army. So, you might want further help in who to use with him (and how). Personally, I would not suggest any other expesive figures on his same team.

Good Luck,
Wiley

okay well maybe swarming isnt as cheap as i think, its a perfectly legit strategy. i guess that im just jealous because i have problems doing it. whenever i play swarm vs. swarm i lose. whenever i use less but better good guys, i win. i want to swarm because it seems more fun, you have more characters and there are more things to keep track of and it just seems more fun. but since i cant, maybe i just need better weak characters or maybe i should just stick with stronger guys

Swarm may in fact be your best defense against his heavy hitters.

I'm thinking that if you use Team Abilities to your advantage (such as using Doombots to take on a Team Ability of someone else of your Force), along with Avengers extra moves, and Shield Team members...

Also, Mandroids have Telekenesis... I'm thinking that if you can trick your opponent into closing onto a member of your force, and you have Mandroid adjacent, you could toss Wolvie to a near-by teammate.

Possibly, another tactic would be to use Fliers against figures like Juggy and Wolvie. If they aren't on the ground, they can't be hit, right?

Now that is some good all around usefull advice.

Thank you

I would say, taxi Kang around and use his double incapicitate on his two most dangerous figures at the time.