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Old 06/17/2010, 16:00
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Power Barrage -- 'using' a standard attack power
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POWER BARRAGE
Cost: 6
Prerequisite: Duo symbol
Choose a character. If this character possesses a standard attack power and uses it, after actions resolve, it may make a close or ranged combat attack as a free action, but modifies its attack and damage values by -1 for that attack.
I realize that many have interpreted this to mean that, if the Duo uses a standard attack power by itself, then the Duo can make a second attack. But, based on the wording, why couldn't the 'uses it' portion be in relation to another non-attack power?

In the wording of the power, there is no stipulation that the attack power is not to be used with any other power....only that it is:

1) Possessed by the character (not a SP or trait).
2) A standard attack power. And,
2) That it is 'used' in an attack.

Therefore, I should be able to Charge (power action granting close combat action) and then BCF (can be 'used' in close combat action) and then still make the follow up attack.

Can anyone tell me why this wouldn't be the case?
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Old 06/17/2010, 16:04
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That seems pretty legit to me.
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I realize that many have interpreted this to mean that, if the Duo uses a standard attack power by itself, then the Duo can make a second attack. But, based on the wording, why couldn't the 'uses it' portion be in relation to another non-attack power?

In the wording of the power, there is no stipulation that the attack power is not to be used with any other power....only that it is:

1) Possessed by the character (not a SP or trait).
2) A standard attack power. And,
2) That it is 'used' in an attack.

Therefore, I should be able to Charge (power action granting close combat action) and then BCF (can be 'used' in close combat action) and then still make the follow up attack.

Can anyone tell me why this wouldn't be the case?
according to the wording, it doesn't even need to be used in an attack.

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Quote : Originally Posted by Binnister View Post
I realize that many have interpreted this to mean that, if the Duo uses a standard attack power by itself, then the Duo can make a second attack. But, based on the wording, why couldn't the 'uses it' portion be in relation to another non-attack power?

In the wording of the power, there is no stipulation that the attack power is not to be used with any other power....only that it is:

1) Possessed by the character (not a SP or trait).
2) A standard attack power. And,
2) That it is 'used' in an attack.

Therefore, I should be able to Charge (power action granting close combat action) and then BCF (can be 'used' in close combat action) and then still make the follow up attack.

Can anyone tell me why this wouldn't be the case?
That's fine. Your character used B/C/F... doesn't particularly matter how it got to that point, only that it did get there.
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according to the wording, it doesn't even need to be used in an attack.
Right. You could use Smoke Cloud, for example, and then attack with the feat after laying down your hindering terrain.
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So no powers would be able to be used with this new attack? Well besides PC or if it was previously perplexed....

Oh and Every "download" I've been directeed to does not have these feats. Where the heck are they!!!!????!!!
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So what stops super strength from being used to pick an object up and allowing an attack?

AND they are listed in the new players guide Here

That is the golden age one. Modern is from site too
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I use HSS pick up and object with super strength, attack with it, finish the rest of my move (picking up another object). I possess and used standard SS so now i can attack with -1 damage as a free action.

I have an object so i use it if doing a close attack. But i just used SS again so do i get a third attack?
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I use HSS pick up and object with super strength, attack with it, finish the rest of my move (picking up another object). I possess and used standard SS so now i can attack with -1 damage as a free action.

I have an object so i use it if doing a close attack. But i just used SS again so do i get a third attack?
It all depends on whether SS is allowed to activate the feat.

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I think it comes down to what is considered using the standard power.

Are you using Super Strength when you pick up the item? When you attack with it? Both?

Do Named Powers allow the duo figure to activate Power Barrage, or only standard powers that have the default PAC name on the character card?
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Do Named Powers allow the duo figure to activate Power Barrage, or only standard powers that have the default PAC name on the character card?
This is an easy one. BN, page 15:

STANDARD AND NAMED POWERS
A standard power is a power with only its name printed next to the circle on the character card (such as “Blades/Claws/Fangs”); an explanation of its effects appears on the Powers and Abilities Card. A named power, like SEISMIC BLAST (Quake), is a standard power with a specific descriptive title. It is capitalized next to a circle and is followed in parentheses by the name of the standard power (which is explained on the Powers and Abilities Card). All references to a standard power in a game effect refers to a standard or a named power.



And for what it is worth, a character would "use" Super Strength (per the exact power description) to pick objects and/or attack terrain. Nothing in the Super Strength description allows for the use of an object in combat... that all comes from special rules in the rule book.

I do not know if that was GDs intent or not, but that is what a literal interpetation of the feat gives us.
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So why we are on Power Barrage, is there any reason why you couldn't use Outsiders to make the modifications go away on the second attack?
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So why we are on Power Barrage, is there any reason why you couldn't use Outsiders to make the modifications go away on the second attack?
There is no reason in the world. Outsiders would nicely prevent any of the modifiers from taking effect.
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So carrying an object via Super Strength while attack does or does not qualify?
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So carrying an object via Super Strength while attack does or does not qualify?
I would not think that it does.
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