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Old 11/29/2010, 16:26
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Mastermind and pushing damage
Can characters with mastermind give pushing damage to adjacent characters from damage that happens as a result of pushing damage?

In this example, the push came from a 2nd token from an incapacitate attack.
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Old 11/29/2010, 16:28
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No. Mastermind pieces can only mastermind away damage dealt from an attack. They can't mastermind pushing damage they would take or mystics damage from attacking mystics TA figure because both those forms of damage are not "damage dealt from an opposing character".
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No. Mastermind pieces can only mastermind away damage dealt from an attack. They can't mastermind pushing damage they would take or mystics damage from attacking mystics TA figure because both those forms of damage are not "damage dealt from an opposing character".
THis is incorrect. Mastermind does not require that the damage come from an attack... only that damage is dealt. That is why Pushing Damage can't be transferred via Mastermind; it isn't damage dealt. But any source of damage dealt can be transferred to MM fodder. Poison damage, for example, is not an attack but since it is damage dealt, a Mastermind character could shuffle that Poison off onto a lackey.
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THis is incorrect. Mastermind does not require that the damage come from an attack... only that damage is dealt. That is why Pushing Damage can't be transferred via Mastermind; it isn't damage dealt. But any source of damage dealt can be transferred to MM fodder. Poison damage, for example, is not an attack but since it is damage dealt, a Mastermind character could shuffle that Poison off onto a lackey.
Same thing with mind controll.
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Same thing with mind controll.
I have no idea what Mind Control has to do with Mastermind... can you please elaborate?
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Sure thing, I played in a tourney and the judge ruled that the damage dealt from mind control (to control a character over 100points) could be master minded onto a lackey.
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Sure thing, I played in a tourney and the judge ruled that the damage dealt from mind control (to control a character over 100points) could be master minded onto a lackey.
He ruled incorrectly.
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Sure thing, I played in a tourney and the judge ruled that the damage dealt from mind control (to control a character over 100points) could be master minded onto a lackey.
That is incorrect.

Mind Control feedback damage has never been damage dealt. For the longest time, it was damage taken (AKA literal clicks of the dial, skipping the whole "damage dealt" phase of things) and lately it is unavoidable damage (which is, as the name implies, unavoidable).
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This is good to know! I remembered it was a fun game not a tourney, but it was a fun game with the judge. None the less this info helps! Thank you.
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well then I'm shelving my mind control / mastermind team.
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well then I'm shelving my mind control / mastermind team.
Is this a joke? Do you really have a mind control/ mastermind team?
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Is this a joke? Do you really have a mind control/ mastermind team?
There are a lot of good figures with Mind Control and Mastermind.
SR Mastermind comes to mind, as does Ultimate Professor X...
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Is this a joke? Do you really have a mind control/ mastermind team?
I never got to field it but it was in the works. Good thing I read this first.
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There are a lot of good figures with Mind Control and Mastermind.
SR Mastermind comes to mind, as does Ultimate Professor X...
Agreed. Just because you can't transfer the MC feedback damage doesn't mean the combination is no good.
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