Well no duh. Of course you like them. That's why you bought them. People rarely buy things they don't like.

The question is, do you NEED them?

I don't have the IH Spidey, though I do really want one. I've posted previously that the only thing the Red/Blue Spidey has going for him is that trait. Spidey uses his webs at range, he needs range. For those that argue, think outside the box. That 6 Range could be him web swinging a foe into the ground, just as he does in the various video games. Or it could show him jumping at, hitting and jumping back without giving him HSS.

The combat values are also too low down the dial. NC was released in the same set with 19/Senses, yet Spidey is harder to hit than NC and only gets an 18? Plus the various bruisers that take hits get more 18s than Spidey does.

Those versions of him have been the worst to date. Just soooooo many things wrong with him, plus he's too many points for what he does bring to the table. Compare him with Bronze Tiger, another melee fig.

I think that only supports the other ranting in the various complaint threads about WoS retirement specifically targeting Nightcrawler.

I was specifically astonished that you'd compare the ####-tastic pieces that were IC. Red and blue at least has Super Strength to throw objects. And if you're like me, you use the generator to keep re-using it. Super Senses, leap/climb, and a tie-up power. Sure as hell more useful than a guy whose only perk is his 12 AV.

That is probably the only thing that matters.

But did it never happen to you to buy something you thought you wanted but that ended up a waste of money ? you know, when you buy something because you think you need it, perhaps some friends of yours have it, or you've seen an ad for it, and at first you feel compel to buy one, but when you have it, you realise you never use it, nor do you really like it. It was a big expense, and it made you feel good for a few seconds, and then... nothing. That happens all the time, i can see it happening daily around me, and i've been victim of it too.

What happens too, is when people really whine about not being able to purchase something, or not being able to have all of something (especially collectibles) but when you think about it, do we really need all that stuff ? Usually people aren't really satisfied, even when, finally, they manage to get it. In this "consumer" world, there are tons of people trying to make you want things you don't need or wouldn't have even thought about in the first place. Apple has been some kind of apology of that recently with ipad for example...

That's to show exactly how much I dislike the WoS versions. I would rather play the IC versions over them.

Though the Scarlet Spider, CSM, Doppelganger, Spider Hulk & Bombastic are all playable.

The only real thing I'm not liking is all the HoH get to revert back and they get the keyword. I doubt we'll see the Spider Hulk get remade and he doesn't get to revert back to any version and he breaks theme. So minor point on that fig.

WizKids is really shooting themselves in the foot with this move. Financially, it only makes sense in the short term. The early retirement and payouts will just be magnified once the pension payments start kicking in. It seems they're expecting the current HeroClix to pay into the system to support the older clix, and not themselves.

Bagman is terrible. His only redeeming quality is his trait, which isn't even comic accurate. Makes no sense to whine about what Spider-Man SHOULD have, but then play with that Spidey-less figure.

Not sure how they are depriving players of an iconic character. Hulk set had a Spider-Man. I'm sure there will be at lease one more in Avengers or GG

Yes, now how will stores move those last remaining boosters of WoS off their shelves...

Why smilie that? I just the other day bought a local retailer stock (a brick) that he had marked down -simply because he had that quantity and was discounting.

Due to me seeing the humor in that figure. That it reflects when Johnny was playing a joke on Peter. So the five clicks and lower defense for Spidey as he was really just trying to get home to protect his identity fits. The outside the box of that trait is like Pete Kicking folks away for getting too close and possibly seeing him without a mask.

Though I do play him more since he's the only Dual TA FF Spidey I own atm. Once I acquire the IH Spider-Man I'll have a better fit for my Fantastic Four teams.

See, you of all people I would see make an argument for how tough Spider-Man is and, especially, how fast he is. That clix's demeaning qualities, like low defense and short dial is actually what turns me away from it.

He doesn't feel like Spidey to me. He's a joke/gimmick and remains just that. When I look for a Spider-Man figure, he's not the first to come to mind. When I want a piece that serves as a feedback dealing tie-up fig, then I think of Bag-Man.

Typically yeah, I would be. But any figure with that trait you don't want to see that tough. A Mystic figure that takes a few attacks to KO is bad enough. A figure that deals equal damage back taking more than 2 attacks to KO would be crazy. Being that it was originally supposed to be a Chase is another reason why I'm ok with it. That being said, I've used him at only two tourneys. I've always just run the SI or AV Spider-Man.

This thread was not about Nightcrawler.
This thread was started because I was outraged at the fact that, yet again, I am seeing Spider-Man getting p***ed on.

History lesson time:
VS starts off with Marvel Origins. Great set. Then by popularity, they launch another set, DC Origins. Underwhelming by comparison, but the game is still popular. They launch Web of Spider-Man (sound familiar?). And because of the complaints of DC's under powered cards, they hosed down the set's strength to such a point it was one of Worst sets printed. Maybe even The worst.

More sets came and they introduced Modern, Silver, and Golden Ages to keep sales going on the newer cards. But the damage was done. Spidey would get a few cards in other sets, just not enough to make a "competitive" run in Modern Age. Sadly, VS did not have the staying power and died off roughly 3 years after its initial launch.

Catching us up to Heroclix, WoS got cheated out of around 2 1/2 months as far as Modern Age goes. If you look at the release date for WoS its Sept. 2010 (I think it was the 20th). The Set gets rotated out on July 1 2012. That is not 2 years. All because of what ? So far, all I'm hearing is because it's Nightcrawler's fault.


To break it down:
VS: someone complains, Spidey gets the shaft
Clix: someone complains, Spidey gets the shaft

Going back to 2011's release of the Tournament Guide, there was no mention of July 1, or the World Championship. So for that I am clueless as to what they have in mind for future Modern Ages or how they will affect the World Tournaments.

All I'm asking for is that WoS gets till Sept 1. Two more months. That and taking their Worlds schedule into account when they Release sets And their Modern Age.

(And pretty please, with sugar on top. A Balanced Spider-Man on par with Capt America, Wolverine, Hulk, Juggernaut, Green Goblin, or Ice Man. All of these he went toe to toe with and walked away. Not a peon with a "Kick Me" sign.)

I agree with everything here. VS locally took a downturn when Spidey was released, as far as I know I'm the only one that always had a Spider-Man deck on hand.

The problem also lies with some of the players that consider Spider-Man far weaker than he actually is. They don't know about the character yet they chime in on him. So they see figures like the WoS #7 and they say, "Yeah, that's perfect." when really, it's not.

Though I'm willing to bet that when we get the new Hawkeye released in multiple versions none of them will be on par with WoS Bullseye, CR Green Arrow or the WL GReen Arrow. We'll prolly be lucky to get him on par with JL Green Arrow or CR Red Arrow. Yet he should equal or out-class them all.

So I'm with you on that, They really need to put thought into the next couple Spideys and give us the OotS, Smokey Feet, Lamppost, etc... version of Spider-man.