Hello !

I want to know if that feels right.
Let say that I use MC to force split your duo into ONE of its member - I can do it as long as I've got the right character in my own sideboard (and believe me, I will). I then KO the poor sob (he's yours now, after all).
How many victory point do I score ?
The rules says :
But in fact, only one character was used as replacement : mine. So do I score only the point for that character or do I score the whole duo since all replacement characters used are actually KOed ?

(if anybody reading that post has though of replacing Avenger Prime with a 50 pts Tony Stark and then crush the guy to score 400 points, he's as evil as I am. MUHAHAHAhahaha!)

Side question, not really related to the topic.
If I play Tony Stark AE as part of my active force and then turns him into Iron-man, is Tony Stark part of my sideboard from now on ? In other word can I use him in any Split I could think about in the future, even thu he actually started the game on the board ? I know this won't work if he's KO, but here he's not.

I would guess no to this, as the figure you used the points for is still on the board, just in a different form.

The first part though? No idea.

I'd say no because there's no legal way for you to bring him back on the board for your team. The idea of a sideboard is to hold figures that could legally become a part of your team.

Taking that a step further, if you Mind Controlled Avengers Prime to split into your Iron Man, he'd also no longer be legal to use as Tony Stark's AE, since he's left your sideboard.

The "Sideboard" as it's developed now is a fairly defined thing, in that it is ephemera that isn't on your team, but is still built before the game starts. As such, it doesn't expand as the game progresses. It's not like in ActionClix, where you could swap dudes "from your collection." This is more like a second team you have to build beforehand. Your KOed guys are not in that team. It's your reserve deck, not your Graveyard.

Have I analogied that enough?

As for the Mind Control shenanigans, it's such a pain in the ### that I hope they just make a blanket "Can't use Split/Merge with Mind Control" rule and call it a day. It's such a narrow possibility as is that no one's gonna miss it if they kill it before anyone tries it.

Tony Stark would be on your Sideboard, as well as all KO'd Characters.

If they were not, then when using Merge Split you would not be able to go back and forth because the original character would be removed from the game as well.

If he was Merging and Splitting his own characters, I'd agree. However, in his example he's using the Alter Ego mechanic on his Tony Stark to bring in his sideboarded Iron Man. Therefore Tony Stark wouldn't go back onto the sideboard, because there's no mechanic in place to bring him back into the game.

I agree with this statement completely! Merge/Split is a rulings NIGHTMARE if you're opponent can Mind Control you to do it. On the other hand, the MC character is more than likely taking at least 1 (to 3) clicks of damage to pull it off, but it's still annoying for both the player and the judge. Than again, until they do rule on it, I'm more than likely just going to KO the MC piece before it has a chance to pull the maneuver on those rare occasions the situation might actually come up.

The ruling that stated you cannot use your opponent's figures was made prior to the official side board which must now be written down.

I am wondering if this ruling still holds true or if you could now MC a Duo and force them to split if your opponent has those figures on his/her sideboard.

Have we be given a recent ruling about this since the introduction of a sideboard?

Oh come on ! Mind Control is already a ruling nightmare anyway
And players who field just one big fat chase duo and expect to win because the thing is nearly unbeatable kind of deserve to be frustrated once in a while. It's just fair.
Beside it's not that easy to do.

Yes we have. And no you cannot force your opponent to split his duo into characters of his own sideboard. But in the situation I propose, I use my sideboard. I'm the one who possess the character I split your duo into.

Subscribing.

I'm interested in the M/C interactions with S/M. Sure it may be a tad convoluted, but it's the stuff your opponent doesn't see coming* that they'll always remember!

* Unless of course, the person I'm going to need to shenanigan (yes, I verbed that ) stalks my posts and sees this one... Maybe he'll overlook it.

I understand the difference there. I actually kinda hope to see a ruling that your sideboard cannot contain figures that are not somehow related to your force. As much as I love shenanigans (and new split/merge is shenanigan heaven!) I don't think that is what the sideboard is for...

Of course, the lack of such a ruling will bring me much more entertainment that it's existance would bring me simplicity.

Honestly, how many people are trying to run Avengers Prime and expect to WIN a tournament with it and it alone. I can think of far easier ways to beat that figure. Sure it can deal copious amounts of damage. But if you play smart, they're not going to be able to easily pull off a duo attack, much less a Trio attack. Just like World's Finest, that figure can easily be out-actioned, and even more easily Outwit.

This will not be allowed in the future.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showth...=377917&page=3

There will be no reason to load your side board up with a bunch of characters that are unrelated to your force.

Well, too bad.
That was a fun idea at least.