If we didn't have that piece, my Justice League Lex would have a horrible sculpt.

I do look at more than just damage slot but "ignoring damage reducers" is a dime a dozen these days and, frankly, doesn't, say, let Lex humiliate an opponent by OW'ing their HSS from 10 squares away and then do something nifty. The Kryptonite is cool and I look forward to the usable tricks on it. He's brutal against Superman and fellow Kryptonians but compared to the OW powers we see on the likes of Leader, Mr. Fantastic, or even Amadeus Cho, Lex got gypped (as he's definitely above the Leader and Cho in intellect).

Plus, you're only referring to his battlesuit version. What about the "sneaky manipulative" rookie in the chair? That - more so than when he suits up in a battlesuit so he can get physical - is the one that deserves a special OW as that's when he's at his most cunning and tactical. That - not the battlesuit version - is where he really deserved a snazzy OW SP.

His Trait gives him a one shot use of this:

Characters within 4 squares modify their attack values by -1 and can't use the Flight ability. Characters within 4 squares that possess the Superman Ally team ability or the Kryptonian Keyword can't have damage dealt to them reduced below 1.

Hawt!

Yeah, but none of the Golden Age remakes are going to have a Special Power and they will all be stuck with that Promotion Trait which makes them ineligible for "Not So Special".

Disappointing, in that area, at least. As long as they are cheap enough, it could work - or if its a much needed character / version of a character, it could be satisfactory. Hulk, for example, is really cheap which makes him "interesting".

Emma doesn't do enough for me to choose her over the GSX version. This GA Lex doesn't take Fast Forces Lex's spot, etc. Its disappointing in that Blue Beetle (Kord) will have a dial based off of his LE Ted from HT:

ht139 LE Ted Kord
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 8
Points: 51
Keywords: Birds of Prey, Justice League International, Martial Artist, Scientist, Super Buddies

8 10 16 2

8 8 15 2

7 7 14 2

6 6 13 2

5 5 12 2

4 4 11 2

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

BUT if his stats are high enough plus has the right PAC powers, (for 55 points) he "might" have a chance of replacing:

cr030 V Blue Beetle
Team: Justice League
Range: 6
Points: 65
Keywords: Extreme Justice, Justice League International, Scientist, Super Buddies

8 9 17 2

8 9 16 2

7 10 15 2

7 9 15 2

7 9 15 1

6 8 14 1

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

(Attack) BB Gun: Blue Beetle can use Force Blast and Incapacitate. He can also be given a power action to make a ranged combat attack targeting a single opposing character (ignoring friendly characters for line of fire purposes). If the attack succeeds the target is dealt no damage; instead, roll a d6. The target is knocked back a number of squares equal to the result -2 (minimum 1 square); the target breaks away automatically, can move through squares adjacent to opposing characters, and can be dealt knock back damage.

(Damage) Bwah-ha-ha-hah!: Blue Beetle can use Perplex. When Blue Beetle is adjacent to a friendly Booster Gold, he can use Outwit.

Hmmm... He has to be REALLY good to replace my favorite Ted piece.

In fairness, why do you feel Green Kryptonite is the only viable option? Gold K against a Sharpshooting PB'er, for example, doesn't seem the worst thing you could do or using White K to destroy the Hindering in which Batman's hiding.

The chair version doesn't really draw me in. I'm not familiar with that look for him, and the dial is ok, but not great. The armored version is more like the type of Lex I enjoy playing, but I'll stick with the JL common for only one point more. I'd rather have an extra click of life, extra potent mastermind, outwit/perplex down the dial, better range, and most importantly... Legion of Doom keyword.

The new Lex is fine, just not amazing enough that I can justify hunting down another version of Lex when I have a perfectly playable version for the same cost.

love the battle suit one, and the flavor text on impervious-toughness is great!

But he CAN do that at the end of his dial with his regular Outwit, or he can do it all dial if you pair him with another character with the SE TA.

And FWIW, ignoring damage reducers down the whole dial (at least against his main opponents, those cursed Kryptonians and their best buddies...er, "Allies") is a dime a dozen? I don't think that is true.


Once per game he's going to be able to hurt anyone (not just Kryptonians) or benefit his team. It doesn't come out of your object allocation and you can control where it goes. I think that's way better than Amadeus Cho (Outwit plus PC that only matters if the opposing team has no Outwit). I agree that two Outwits are better than one, but I think Lex's brain-related powers trump Leader's here overall. I'm really not sure that we can say that Lex is definitely above the Leader and Cho in intellect anyway, but I think the powers that represent his intellect outshine theirs.

I actually don't disagree with this, assuming that version is meant to cover more than just the time when he actually had red hair. I actually find that dial lacking as a representation of a Lex that is supposed to represent him up to and including his time as President. I was responding specifically to your criticism of the battlesuit version. That's why I only quoted that part of your post. You have my full support in criticism of the red-haired version.

Man Tyro I hope so. I doubt I'll swap him in for Jaime based on principal! If he's good

Its not the only viable option but if someone wants a special Outwit, it would be best targeting Kryptonians.

And this is the only Kryptonite that specifically targets Kryptonians.

Hence my post.

Yep. The ability to choose ANY Kryptonite is what makes it so bad-###.

Well we know he has a 7 range and and

LE Ted has 8 range and . Close.

It looks to me that he starts with EE and Toughness and its rumored he starts with Running Shot.

Ted has EE & Toughness.

So I'm expecting something like this:

Rookie Blue Beetle (NOT REAL!)
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 7
Points: 55

8 10 17 3

8 9 16 2

7 8 16 2

7 10 16 2

7 9 15 2

6 8 15 1

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

Although I'd love a click of Perplex / Enhancement / Outwit - I just don't see how with him having triple targets (so expensive) and already being nearly the same cost as the HT LE.

I actually just noted "ignored damage reducers" is dime-a-dozen (not for any specific length of dial). I mean, looking at just the regular (C-SR, non-chase and non-CT) figures from CW and using actual ability to bypass but not raw damage (so no BCF or CCE or RCE counted here), 36 of the figures in CW can ignore damage reducers for a section of their dial...some of them for a pretty good chunk of their dial. Bypassing of DR is becoming pretty common.


Ah, see. Here's part of our miscommunication. I was actually just critiquing the lack of SP OW overall - not just for the battlesuit version - on Lex. Admittedlly, I forgot - or it just hadn't clicked - that the rookie's in the anniversary sets aren't going to have SP's so that would make it seem like I was focused on the battlesuit not having an SP for OW'ing. (And, yeah, I would put Lex over the Leader - and certainly over "probably not even the 7th Smartest as it turns out" Amadeus - in smarts, just based on the fact DC's stated him as their most brilliant mind and he can keep up with the likes of Brainiac at times.)

Still, no way I'm passing up these figures.

Wah, I'm so sick of characters with the Superman Enemy TA having Outwit!

Well Johnny, here's a Wildcard that can hang out with a cheaper SE Piece, and still has great viability against Superman and his friends.

Wah! That sucks too!

I don't see many - if any - folks complaining about "overlap OW". I do see folks - yes, myself included - complaining that Lex doesn't have special OW.