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Old 03/31/2004, 15:01
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Anyway, when exactly did ZH happen? I'm confused about where the rebbot was and how far back I have to go to reach it. I really wish DC would slap out more tpbs for LSH comics. I know you can get the really old stuff in the achives books, but I was hoping to get the more recent stuff.
Post- Zero Hour or "Reboot" Legion started with special "0" issues of both Legion of Super-Heroes and Legionnaires, which started continuity over from scratch. Then the stories continued in issue 61 of LSH and 19 of Legionnaires (stories continued from one to the other so it was basically a twice monthly book). The first stories of each are in a TPB called "The Beginning of Tomorrow". The current continuity goes from these issues to the end of both series, followed by Legion Lost, Legion Worlds and the current Legion.

There were a few awful minis best left alone, but still probably in continuity: "Science Police" & "Legends of the Legion". There was also a fairly decent crossover mini: "Titans/Legion: Universe Ablaze", a few appearances in Superboy and, during the "stranded in the 20th Century" arc, they jumped into just about everybody's book for guest shots.
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Man, I can't believe I never drew a line from the Emerald Eye to the Starheart. That makes so much sense someone should point it out to the writers...They even kind of sound the same if you past the EYE business and just see the themes it harps on compared to say, Starheart to Sentienl in the whole Obsidian/Jade thing (was that princes of darkness? or earlier)

I think ZH happened right before the last reboot, trade paperback collection is called The Begining of Tommorow I think (have a copy, just dont remember the name)
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Also, now that it is pointed out, the fact that this site censors the name of ######## BOY is pretty hilarious
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Man, I can't believe I never drew a line from the Emerald Eye to the Starheart.
Is L.E.G.I.O.N / R.E.B.E.L.S. still in continuity? If so, a couple of emerald eyes show up in that series, which would make a direct link to the starheart somewhat difficult (though they could have a shared origin, naturally...)
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Is L.E.G.I.O.N / R.E.B.E.L.S. still in continuity? If so, a couple of emerald eyes show up in that series, which would make a direct link to the starheart somewhat difficult (though they could have a shared origin, naturally...)
L.E.G.I.O.N. is still in continuity, yes but, honestly multiple "children" or connections to the Starheart wouldn't be unreasonable. Look how many talismans feed from the same source of magic in DC. An advanced race could've figured out a way to create Emerald Eyes that feed off of the Starheart. For that matter, the Starheart has kind-of replicated itself in Jade having similar powers to Alan (interesting that her power doesn't usually have the Starheart's flaming effect but, at least it has on occasion been cited as magical in nature).
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This week's issue:

I tried. Really I did. I tried to keep an open mind and take everything with a grain of salt, but I just couldn't do it. Giffen's art (most people get better as they age, Giffen seems to just get worse) and undeniable "comedic" footprints on the story just threw me off. I liked the Bwah-Ha-Ha style on JLI and loved Ambush Bug. On "Formerly Known As..." it was OK, but honestly didn't seem as fresh. In Legion it just plain doesn't work for me. Flat story all around.

Hoping the fresh start in a few months really clears the air...
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Heh, Laurel Gand is the Supergirl replacement, Laurel Kent was the supposed Clark Kent descendant in the legion academy that turned out to be a manhunter android
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This week's issue:

I tried. Really I did. I tried to keep an open mind and take everything with a grain of salt, but I just couldn't do it. Giffen's art (most people get better as they age, Giffen seems to just get worse) and undeniable "comedic" footprints on the story just threw me off. I liked the Bwah-Ha-Ha style on JLI and loved Ambush Bug. On "Formerly Known As..." it was OK, but honestly didn't seem as fresh. In Legion it just plain doesn't work for me. Flat story all around.

Hoping the fresh start in a few months really clears the air...
This was the first issue of The Legion I have read. Tragically, I was not reading Legion when they started the Foundations story-line.

Yeah, the art was kind of whack, for lack of better words. However, I only think the art was bad at the beginning: I had a difficult time trying to decipher what was happening when Gear and Chuck are walking through the rubble. It was dark, splotchy, and meshed together. However, the art did get better; although I didn't like the way Superboy was drawn.

Question: Are Gear and Chuck Legionnaires? Or are they like tech guys?

All in all, I enjoyed this issue. I thought it was funny with Chuck and Gear constantly (although not intentionally) ribbing on Superboy about his hygiene. I thought it was a good self-contained story that was amusing.

I look forward to my subscription and future issues of The Legion!
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Question: Are Gear and Chuck Legionnaires? Or are they like tech guys?

Gear is basically a Legionnaire that works primarily as a techie but because he does have powers (tech-interface, creation of guns from his parts, etc.) he does go on missions (such as battling parademons on Apokolipse).

Chuck Taine - one of the greatest Legion characters - is a the head engineer and tech officer of the Legion. He's an honourary Legionnaire and basically oversees all of Legion World. Pre-Reboot he actually was a Legionnaire: none other than the famous Bouncing Boy! Post-ZH, no powers for Chuck but he has piloted a rather nifty spacecraft known by his old moniker. Not sure of his current relation with Triad - they've gone on a few dates and all three personalities like him, but I don't think they're a regular couple yet - but in pre-ZH days he was married to her (well, two of her...her third part (Orange) had been killed off by C.O.M.P.U.T.O.).
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Yeah, the story was fun but the art just didn't sail. It wasn't appaling, exactly, but it didn't really work for Legion. I loveloveLOVED Olivier Coipel's Legion work - the perfect kind of future-tech world with sleek-tech costuming, just *Drool*. I was settling in to the new art after him (blanking on the guy's name). But this ish just didn't cut it.

On the other hand, I'm really liking Chuck and Gear. And at least *mentioning* Andromeda was nice. Now they just need to bring her back in, full time. Yo! Andromeda! Only the good die young, sweetheart!
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OK iss 31 was my first Legion comic ever.I could tell its in thewwake of a major storyline[the hole in the base tipped me off as much as the mention of Darksied].It was kind of a neat idea seeing a funny story right after something big like that much more entertaining than most "Aftermath" type stories.I like Superboy alot in Teen Titans so seeing him featured so much was also cool and his victory over the nanites cracked me up as well as the few gags spread throughou[the Cosmic Boy and Kid Quantum one especially]
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Oh, yeah, Cap! That subtle little gag was brilliant. Laughed out loud. Oh, Rokk, you dog, you!
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Sigh...I really can't stand Kid Retcon or his successor. Okay, I almost could stand Jaz at first but since the newest Legion series started she's been annoying (and I really hate deux ex machina powers).

I wish the writers would bring back Lydda.

(For those new the Legion and wondering what I'm babbling about, it's in reference to the Cos/Kid Quantum relationship ).
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Gear is basically a Legionnaire that works primarily as a techie but because he does have powers (tech-interface, creation of guns from his parts, etc.) he does go on missions (such as battling parademons on Apokolipse).

Chuck Taine - one of the greatest Legion characters - is a the head engineer and tech officer of the Legion. He's an honourary Legionnaire and basically oversees all of Legion World. Pre-Reboot he actually was a Legionnaire: none other than the famous Bouncing Boy! Post-ZH, no powers for Chuck but he has piloted a rather nifty spacecraft known by his old moniker. Not sure of his current relation with Triad - they've gone on a few dates and all three personalities like him, but I don't think they're a regular couple yet - but in pre-ZH days he was married to her (well, two of her...her third part (Orange) had been killed off by C.O.M.P.U.T.O.).
Yeah, I was curious if Gear was a Legionnaire: in the latest issue he transformed his arm to a gun and created a pair of goggles from his eyes. The guy has definite powers just to be a standard and boring tech-guy! When you say he's basically a Legionnaire, is he not "officially" a Legion member? Does he have a flight ring (isn't this what all Legion members have)?

Unlike Gear, Chuck Taine didn't appear to be a Legionnaire; he just seemed like a regular dude. It's awesome to know he was Bouncing Boy before Crisis (or are you referring to Zero Hour?). I wonder why he wasn't given any powers post-reboot.
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Yeah, I was curious if Gear was a Legionnaire: in the latest issue he transformed his arm to a gun and created a pair of goggles from his eyes. The guy has definite powers just to be a standard and boring tech-guy! When you say he's basically a Legionnaire, is he not "officially" a Legion member? Does he have a flight ring (isn't this what all Legion members have)?

Unlike Gear, Chuck Taine didn't appear to be a Legionnaire; he just seemed like a regular dude. It's awesome to know he was Bouncing Boy before Crisis (or are you referring to Zero Hour?). I wonder why he wasn't given any powers post-reboot.
Gears has a flight ring (though just to warn, honourary Legionnaires such as Chuck and Shvaughn also pack the rings).

Yep, I mean Zero Hour. Anytime you see the term "Reboot" for the LSH, it refers to Zero Hour (so pre-Reboot is pre-ZH and post-Reboot is post-ZH). It took awhile - namely for the Superman editorial office to start jacking with things - before Crisis really affected the Legion. It was an immediate affect when Zero Hour hit and caused a reboot. 30-some years of continuity, gone poof!

I would imagine Chuck hasn't been given powers post-ZH because, frankly, a lot of people thought of Bouncing Boy as a joke. Sure he was the team's morale officer and well-loved but did turning into a giant inflatable ball really make you worthy of the Legion? For the record, I'd say yes as you should've seen some of the things Chuck did with his power - it would be like the Blob hitting you with a Toad-style leap attack. Unfortunately, most people didn't think it fit - and really, with the style the Reboot Legion was going with, it didn't - but by having Chuck as the Legion's "Scotty" we get to have a wonderful part of Legion history still active. I'm actually pretty pleased with the Reboot Chuck - he's possibly more useful to the LSH this way and is certainly more valued by the members in this capacity (he's already pulled their bacon out of the fire more than a few times).
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